--- title: You don't need de facto managers with Alina Vandenberghe, Co-founder & Co-CEO of Chili Piper description: "Alina Vandenberghe, Co-founder & Co-CEO of Chili Piper, shares her groundbreaking perspective: you don't need de facto managers to drive success." image: https://blog.leadr.com/hubfs/LeadrPulse%20podcast%20Season%202.jpg --- [![Leadr Logo](https://blog.leadr.com/hs-fs/hubfs/Leadr%20Logo.png?width=140&height=45&name=Leadr%20Logo.png "Leadr Logo")](https://www.leadr.com/) [![Leadr Logo](https://blog.leadr.com/hs-fs/hubfs/Leadr%20Logo.png?width=90&height=29&name=Leadr%20Logo.png "Leadr Logo")](https://www.leadr.com) - Resources - [LeadrPulse Podcast](https://insights.leadr.com/leadrpulse-podcast) - [Webinars & Events](http://www.leadr.com/webinars-events) - [Downloads](http://www.leadr.com/resources) - [Blog](https://blog.leadr.com) - [Order Management is Dead](http://www.leadr.com/book) - What We Offer - [Software](http://www.leadr.com/software) - [Manager Training](http://www.leadr.com/academy) - [Customer Stories](http://www.leadr.com/customer-stories) - [Release Notes](https://blog.leadr.com/release-notes) - Partnerships - [Leadr & Lencioni](http://www.leadr.com/table-group) - [Maxwell Leadership](http://www.leadr.com/maxwell) - [Become a Partner](http://www.leadr.com/affiliates) - [About Us](http://www.leadr.com/about-us) - [Our Story, Values & Culture](http://www.leadr.com/about-us) - [Leadr News Room](https://blog.leadr.com/news-room) - [Careers](http://www.leadr.com/careers) - [Contact Us](http://www.leadr.com/contact-us) More results [Request A Demo](http://www.leadr.com/request-demo) [Sign In](https://app.leadr.com/) [REQUEST A DEMO](http://www.leadr.com/request-demo) [![Request a Demo](https://no-cache.hubspot.com/cta/default/9096015/de3254a8-05b4-4bfd-9906-97203d8a919c.png)](https://cta-redirect.hubspot.com/cta/redirect/9096015/de3254a8-05b4-4bfd-9906-97203d8a919c) - Resources - [LeadrPulse Podcast](https://insights.leadr.com/leadrpulse-podcast) - [Webinars & Events](http://www.leadr.com/webinars-events) - [Downloads](http://www.leadr.com/resources) - [Blog](https://blog.leadr.com) - [Order Management is Dead](http://www.leadr.com/book) - What We Offer - [Software](http://www.leadr.com/software) - [Manager Training](http://www.leadr.com/academy) - [Customer Stories](http://www.leadr.com/customer-stories) - [Release Notes](https://blog.leadr.com/release-notes) - Partnerships - [Leadr & Lencioni](http://www.leadr.com/table-group) - [Maxwell Leadership](http://www.leadr.com/maxwell) - [Become a Partner](http://www.leadr.com/affiliates) - [About Us](http://www.leadr.com/about-us) - [Our Story, Values & Culture](http://www.leadr.com/about-us) - [Leadr News Room](https://blog.leadr.com/news-room) - [Careers](http://www.leadr.com/careers) - [Contact Us](http://www.leadr.com/contact-us) [![Request a Demo](https://no-cache.hubspot.com/cta/default/9096015/de3254a8-05b4-4bfd-9906-97203d8a919c.png)](https://cta-redirect.hubspot.com/cta/redirect/9096015/de3254a8-05b4-4bfd-9906-97203d8a919c)[![SIGN IN](https://no-cache.hubspot.com/cta/default/9096015/558f6c6e-53c1-4343-a844-6925dbb7f750.png)](https://cta-redirect.hubspot.com/cta/redirect/9096015/558f6c6e-53c1-4343-a844-6925dbb7f750) LeadrPulse Podcast #### Share this [Share on Twitter](https://twitter.com/share?url=https://blog.leadr.com/leadrpulse-podcast/alina-vandenberghe&text=You%20don't%20need%20de%20facto%20managers%20with%20Alina%20Vandenberghe,%20Co-founder%20&%20Co-CEO%20of%20Chili%20Piper) [Share on Facebook](https://www.facebook.com/sharer/sharer.php?u=https://blog.leadr.com/leadrpulse-podcast/alina-vandenberghe&t=You%20don't%20need%20de%20facto%20managers%20with%20Alina%20Vandenberghe,%20Co-founder%20&%20Co-CEO%20of%20Chili%20Piper) [Share on LinkedIn](https://www.linkedin.com/shareArticle?mini=true&url=https://blog.leadr.com/leadrpulse-podcast/alina-vandenberghe&t=You%20don't%20need%20de%20facto%20managers%20with%20Alina%20Vandenberghe,%20Co-founder%20&%20Co-CEO%20of%20Chili%20Piper) # You don't need de facto managers with Alina Vandenberghe, Co-founder & Co-CEO of Chili Piper by [**Holly Tate**](https://blog.leadr.com/leadrpulse-podcast/author/holly-tateleadr-com) on Dec 12, 2024 12:00:00 AM Move over, managers—there’s a fresh leadership approach changing the game. On this week’s episode of the LeadrPulse Podcast, Alina Vandenberghe, Co-founder & Co-CEO of Chili Piper, shares her groundbreaking perspective: you don't need de facto managers to drive success. Chili Piper, known for its innovative results-driven approach, is rethinking traditional hierarchies. Alina dives deep into how self-led micro teams are unlocking greater outcomes, fostering unmatched employee engagement, and driving tangible business results. Hosts Holly Tate and Matt Tresidder break down Alina’s provocative insights, exploring what it takes to make this model work—and whether it’s the future of leadership. Is the era of the traditional manager over? Tune in for this thought-provoking conversation, packed with actionable ideas for redefining leadership in your organization. 🎙️ **Listen now and discover:** - Why Chili Piper is moving beyond traditional management roles. - How self-led teams operate and deliver results. - Strategies for empowering your team to take ownership. - Holly and Matt’s take on whether this approach is right for every business. 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